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General Discussion / Re: Fri-Tue Harkers
« Last post by BR58 on July 22, 2017, 08:06:08 PM »
Report from Hatteras:

Six us wavesailed at ramp 38.  5.8/104 for me the other guys started on sups with 5.2s.  One hour before low tide had the best waves.  Unfortunately after low tide the wave quality deteriorated rapidly.  Waves were from thigh to stomach high.

After that we all went over to the hole where I sailed 4.2/85. 

Another great day in Hatteras 8)
General Discussion / Re: Fri-Tue Harkers
« Last post by fmuelle on July 22, 2017, 07:55:33 PM »
Sat was 5.7 for me, 5.3 for Kurt and 6.2 for Ken. Lots of blasting in the flats during low tide, power/duck jibles. I then decided to heat up to Shackleford. Kurt lost his subglasses on the way and kept searching where he lost them. Ken went half way to Shackleford and then did a nice power run on flat water inches from an oyster bar. I hopped over to the waves at a new crossing east of the horse dock, a little longer to cross but easier to reach in SW. It was surprisingly easy to get thru the waves, great long runs up to the lighthouse (actually the sandbar right before the channel), back to the bouy and then catching a few swells and then waves. Worked my way upwind west of the horse dock and crossed back 1.5 hrs later. Tried a 5.0 late in the day, some planing but only in gusts. Summary: dolphins, turtles, sharks, horses, sting rays, water foul, lots of motor boats and too much sun. What a day! More to come tomorrow.
General Discussion / Re: When to buy my own equipment? (and what to buy)
« Last post by wind_whiner on July 22, 2017, 06:33:06 PM »
The Magnum is from approx. 1999.  Reviewed in American Windsurfer here:

I support getting a board with a centerboard if you're going to be on local lakes a lot.


I'm pretty sure this is what emullett was referring to:

I might pull the trigger. $150 seems like a price I can't beat, but I don't know anything about boards. Any other opinions? Any advice would be much appreciated.

@Sam: Yeah, I was at Haulover on July 13 in the afternoon and July 14 in the morning. I'll keep an eye out for you. I hope I didn't get in your way. Just started off, so I'm not very stable, yet. If you see me again, criticisms are more than welcome. Some of this stuff seems hard to figure out from YouTube tutorials.
General Discussion / Re: When to buy my own equipment? (and what to buy)
« Last post by jm on July 22, 2017, 12:48:27 PM »
Hi Steve,

Just to offer a different perspective, from someone who spends most of my time sailing the local lakes in mellow wind.

I've been sailing on a Hifly magnum on the local lakes for about the past 4 years and the magnum would be a good starting board. The board is heavy but indestructable. I was away from windsurfing for about 10 years, and the magnum took me back into planing, waterstarting, and footstraps. Also it's nice to have the centerboard for when you get far downwind, which will happen with a new windsurfer. The extra volume will be handy in the lulls.   The magnum also has a powerbox fin and a modern chinook mastrack, so it will be compatible with modern equipment.  This will allow you to play with fins and such, kind of like what Ken suggested. And $150 for the package is the right price. 

If you really get the bug and starting heading to Hatteras a bunch then you will eventually want a smaller board.  This might happen very quickly, or it might happen slowly.  The timing of this depends on what kind of windsurfing appeals to you, the frequency at which you sail and how quickly you progress. All of this is highly variable between individuals. For me, after being on the magnum for about a year I got a smaller, 145 liter board. And just this summer I was finally ready to buy a smaller board than that.

See you on the water, and remember, have fun!

General Discussion / Re: Weekend cycle keeps going!
« Last post by Randy on July 22, 2017, 10:44:02 AM »
Dana and I are at Salvo Day Use, plenty of wind.
General Discussion / Re: Fri-Tue Harkers
« Last post by Kurt _)_ on July 22, 2017, 09:49:26 AM »
Friday at Harkers went exactly as predicted by the Jeff model. The tide was as low as I've ever seen it here at 2 to 3 p.m. The wind was hovering between 17 and 22; I rigged 5.3 while Frank rigged 5.7. This was only good for planning about half the time. And adverse tidal current kept us from going east past Shell point where the better wind is usually. After our first run Frank came in and rigged 6.5 which had him planing nicely the rest of the day. I put my 5.3 on a larger board and got some good practice going in and out of plane and getting better at not being lured down wind by trying too hard to catch a plane. Was trying to learn efficiency. Still have a lot more work to do there. There were hardly any motor boats and as always it's beautiful down here.
General Discussion / Re: More questions about wave sailing
« Last post by RogerN on July 21, 2017, 01:49:44 PM »
Doug - I would sail the gear you are most comfortable on before thinking about specialized stuff. The last thing you need to worry about is getting used to new gear while getting used to ocean sailing. Better to be well powered in the ocean until you have some confidence. In fact, my preference is to be overpowered on the outside and perfect on the inside - its not like we're sailing perfect Hawaiian peelers, so we are often chasing a peak coming in and you need power for that. You may not be able to get radical on a wave with a slalom board, but its still a shitload more fun than flatwater (IMHO) and opportunities for long floaty jumps abound. Even if the waves are too small to ride, its a hoot to blast around outside the breakers. The only thing you really need is a wave mast because you will inevitably get rolled in the shore break or impact zone. Just get out there and have fun - you can figure the gear out later.

Winds - onshore is harder because you will longshore current and that makes it harder to stay upwind and kills inside power. Side shore is similar, but not as bad. Both will have windchop on underlying swell, which can be a bit chaotic. Sideoff is ideal, but hard to find. For SW, I would go to Frisco or the old road N of Canadian Hole. You could also join the Core Banks Crew at the Starks house in Marshallberg - we sail the ocean from there all the time.  - Core Banks ws action begins at 2:245

General Discussion / Re: More questions about wave sailing
« Last post by Jeff A on July 21, 2017, 08:36:08 AM »
Doug my 2 cents from long time flat water sailor just getting into waves: The board companies are promoting bigger board smaller sail but that mainly applies to multi fin boards.  Because they are so turny, you can use a bigger size multi and have more float without loosing ability to surf.  Because you already use a quite large board for your size and plane early I would not recommend going bigger because it will be harder to turn in waves.  For learning its probably best to use what you are used to rather than try something different.  On ocean in side off the wind always seems inconsistent compared to the sound. Be ready for that, there will be times when you'll be waiting for wind to waterstart and be ready to slog if need be.  You won't be constantly powered like the sound.  So my advice is work on sailing underpowered in sound, get more efficient so you can float through lulls and waterstart in lighter wind.  You really should have waterstarts wired, you will be forced to waterstart in non ideal conditions on ocean.  I've even used a life jacket on ocean to float through lulls on smaller gear.  Its disconcerting, but you will get used to it.  Best time to go I think is low tide, seems to be less shore break and chop then.  Like Sam says sometimes good conditions are fleeting so gotta go when its good.  It seems to change a lot. One final tip: start sailing deep water sites sounded to get used to swell and water starting. Cedar Island can also get you used to going over whitewater (sometimes more difficult there than ocean).
General Discussion / Re: More questions about wave sailing
« Last post by BR58 on July 21, 2017, 08:04:38 AM »
General Discussion / Re: More questions about wave sailing
« Last post by BR58 on July 21, 2017, 07:46:44 AM »
Here's a day that had ideal conditions

We sailed at Ramp 49 (on the southside - you can also go out at frisco bathhouse without 4wd).  The wind was NE which is side off there.  As you can see the waves were nice and clean due to the offshore wind.  And these waves were on the smaller side so very easy and fun.

I was on a 5.2 104. (I forgot my harness but didn't want to go back in and get it.)

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